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Post by ja1966 on Dec 11, 2007 9:39:55 GMT -5
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Post by clivew on Dec 11, 2007 9:48:45 GMT -5
Gorgeous looking bird JA. Is the 'whirly-gig' the new creance? lol
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Post by Eddie on Dec 11, 2007 16:20:03 GMT -5
Naahhh, that there's an exercise wheel so the bird can fly a lot and get plenty of exercise and it can even change directions if it wants to as long as it goes in a circle! Anyway, that's a gorgous bird. I love gyr's and want one but we only average 5 in Utah and they usually don't get here until mid to the end of January which is near the end of our trapping season so it is a real gamble if you "hold out" for a passage gyr to trap!
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Post by eragon on Dec 11, 2007 17:29:42 GMT -5
Beautiful bird! I love gyrs. Never seen one in person though.
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robruger1
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Post by robruger1 on Dec 11, 2007 19:37:55 GMT -5
I've got a friend with a breeding pair of white gyrs, two pairs of peales and a hen prarie that hes gonna try to do some hybriding with both the male gyr and the peregrines.
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Post by Eddie on Dec 11, 2007 19:58:41 GMT -5
Tell him not to hybredize them...for God's sake it doesn't happen in the wild so why should it be forced to happen in captivity? I can't stand people that make hybreds. You cannot perfect on Mother Nature's design and everyone needs to stop playing "God" and making new species. Ick, ick, ick.
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robruger1
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Post by robruger1 on Dec 11, 2007 20:17:14 GMT -5
I can see both sides of the argument, on one hand you've got the purist like you Eddie. On the other hand you have the guys that like the hybriding saying that it has been done for years with dogs to produced a superior strain. I won't call either wrong as I am kinda on the fence about it. I prefer purebred birds but don't condem the DNA mixers. To each his own.
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Post by Eddie on Dec 11, 2007 21:12:00 GMT -5
Yeah but the difference is dog and cat breeds are all domesticated. Birds are unchanged and have been unchanged for millions of years. They are the same today as they were millions of years ago. And raptors are not pets and never will be for millions of more years. I'll be the first to admit that I've seen some absolutey beautiful hybreds, especially the gyr x pere where the colors and markings of the gyr are more promenant than the peregrine but some of the traits of the peregrine come through like the easier training of the species. However I will never support it. I've had many offers to have a hybred given to me and I've never taken and probably never will. On my end I wish people would simply stop making hybreds and stick to the pures. Just as in Mother Nature, if you can get some phenominal, proven, really large pure species they could make the "ultimate" bird they are seeking without screwing up the gene pool. Look at this aspect.....falconers are constantly loosing their birds. That bird stays in the "wild" and is not recovered and ends up taking a mate the following spring.....now our purebreds and tainted! It is already happening on the east coast all because the government allows hybredization of species and those birds have been lost and not recovered by the falconer and now they are "infecting" purebreds and making "natural hybreds". This also opens up the government to make even more restrictive laws against falconry and trapping.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Apr 21, 2008 21:53:13 GMT -5
you know personally i am going to have to go with eddie on this one, even though i am a scientist by nature, there is a definite limit, and i think that the line should be drawn somewhere and this is a great place to start. Making "natural" hybrids is very bad, it can lead to different diseases that cant be cured no matter what and can eventually lead to the extinction alltogether! It also can lead to further problems in the environment becuase it means dual adaptability and in areas where they couldnt go before they can now go. In my opinion all "natural" hybrids should be trapped and put into a learning program so we do not destroy either of those two great species. education is a very key part in anything, especially with something that deals with something so precious as birds of prey.
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